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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
@00:24I agree, definitely, I was originally going to make Timmy float around a bit after falling into the water, and bed should really shake a bit more, and there should be more delay on Timmy's hair in the water, and many more, but I just couldn't be bothered. I didn't want to produce amazing animation, I wanted to make fun of this film, and I spent a few weeks animating less than 5 seconds. I just wanted it to be good enough to convey the message, not amazing.

Aaaand, I don't think I possess skills to make it amazing, and to imitate professional animators' style anyway.
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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2010
Probably.
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Wait for it...



[Okay, just in case- this is the original The Secret of NIMH footage except from only about 5 seconds of animation added by me. Since, you know, somebody could think I made the whole thing. Surely.]

I think you should watch the film to appreciate the video and the video's title in its whole glory.

The sound is gone. I couldn't find any decent copy with English dubbing, I found one French version though, and when I was all excited, after rendering I realised there's no sound anyway.
Aaand I'm afraid I left a bit too much original footage after the cut.
Whatever. That's not the point.

That's not the point. I learned that from Don Bluth.

Boy, was that movie dumb. And yet it made me produce what is perhaps the most elaborate piece of fanart I'm ever going to make.
And- that's funny on its own- it's probably the most finished animation I have done in my life.
But Timmy is probably my favourite character in this movie- he doesn't say anything and appears in the film for some 10 minutes at best, so he is the last one to blame.

Thank you :iconeggheadcheesybird: and :iconkezzaln:

I do not own those characters, and I do not claim any copyright towards the authentic footage which is (c) Don Bluth/Aurora, I only made the small bit of animation which I'm sure Don Bluth and film producers would be glad not to own.


The Secret of NIMH, the characters, original film artwork and footage (c) Don Bluth/Aurora
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dobergirl102 Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2011
I'm impressed. I thought the animation of Timmy was great and fit well into the rest of the film. The fall from the bed was very nice and fluid.
And wow, I thought I was the only one who thought "Secret of NIMH" was dumb and full of holes. The mystical elements were unexplained and had no point, there was too much screentime wasted on comic relief, and it had the worst deus ex machina ending I have ever seen. Seriously, every time I see Brisby glowing with all of those rats bowing to her like she's suddenly some sort of messiah, I burst out laughing. And that ending was ridiculously happy. There is no way any of those kids, let alone Timmy and the shrew, would have survived. And then at the end we see the the interior of the house (what we can see through the window) isn't even dirty despite having just been filled up with mud.
Thank you so much for making this!
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haffri Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2011
Haha. Thank you, you are welcome, and then THANK YOU SO MUCH for agreeing. I was called dumbass by someone here in the comments because I said that this movie was dumb. The irony. But I feel safer now knowing there is more of us! :) Haha. Thank you.
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shmuziiQ Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2010
The whole point of the writers not giving you a reason or an explanation of the magic of the stone…was to make you think and interpret it for yourself. Not to criticize it (the fact that you said it lacks some logic…or whatever you said, is ridiculous). It is a movie. An animated movie. As much hidden meaning and symbolism as it has...people such as yourself just aren’t meant to dive too deep into it- because you over analyze it (and not logically). Take it for what it is. And by "making fun" of this movie...I think you’ve made yourself look like dumbass. The End.
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EggHeadCheesyBird Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2010   Digital Artist
Of course it wasn't MADE to be criticized. What argument is that?

Imagine if directors said that after screenings "No no, guys the point wasn't to think my symbolism was dumb, it was to think I am handsome... and deserve Oscars!"
Critics: "Oohhhhh!!"
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shmuziiQ Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2010
its at the end of the movie.timmy asks something along the lines of "Momma I'm tired of being in bed. I wanna get up".i find it stupid when someone criticizes something when they havent even watched it or have no idea what theyre talking about.
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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2010
Oh, that. I remember them now. I still don't see how is that relevant.

(I'm going to reply to both comments in one reply, because I feel like the issues in your comments are related enough.)

I have watched this film. And now I am criticizing it because I was bored after the first bit of the film, and because it didn't make much sense to me. I think I have the right to be bored by a film or simply not like it and to say that openly. Also, I have the right to be wrong, just like everybody. And I don't mind peaceful questioning of my opinions and discussion about why I might be wrong, but I don't like being attacked because you think I'm an idiot, or because you feel strong emotional bond with this film, or whatever your motivation might be.

To make things clear, if they aren't clear yet, I don't see anything wrong with liking this film, and I don't think people who like it are idiots. One of my friends likes it a lot. Some people I don't know personally, but respect them a lot, like this film. But I do see something wrong with people who don't give me the right to have a different opinion, who get defensive and aggressive when I do have one, and who insult me for that, or get reasonably close to the borders of insult, instead of politely explain to me what is their problem with what I said. It's not like I expressed any harmful, offensive views, I made a joke about imaginary characters in a work of fiction, and I expressed negative views on a film. None of the things I referred to can be harmed. I didn't say "burn every copy of this film" and didn't limit the right of free speech or anyone's right for creativity and creative work. I said that I didn't enjoy this film and I don't consider it a good film. I didn't attack anyone either, except the film itself, but I don't see anything immoral about attacking a work of art with nothing but a negative opinion.

I have the right to question the logic in any film if I see the reason for it to be questioned. If something isn't logical, it's not a properly finished work of fiction. Of course good film (or any other narrative) isn't about logic, but logic is an element of a good film. Tht's the difficult part. Not coming up with nice metaphores- that's the fun part. But once you have all the elements, they have to make sense together. When you make a film which is based on real life in any way, you have to apply some real life rules- you won't make your character randomly jump back and forth in time (unless the film is actually about time travel, of course) and you won't make them do things irrelevant to main plot and then at the end they suddenly fix all the problems, without any explaining how are those things related. Making a film is also creating a logic, or suggesting that it is the same logic we see every day. And once you do that, you have to stick to it. Logic is important. Not the most important, but it is important and spending some time on fixing issues with logic in a film shows some respect for the audience.
When you read a book, you expect to not stumble upon any grammar or orthographic mistakes, even though that's not what the book is about. You wouldn't get a very good opinion about the author and publishing house, even if the story is great.

I didn't spend hours trying to figure out the mistakes in the film, too. It just all occurred to me and my friends when we were watching it, without too much analysis. It was natural reaction to the events in the film on our side, however I don't deny anybody the right to not look at this film in that way.

Also, questioning the nature and value of things which are happening around or being told to you is an important part of the process of learning, and is natural to everybody.

(I don't want it to seem, in the comment above, that I think I know what you, YOU would decide. I was using "you" as "people", "everybody". That always confuses me in English, and I feel like if I was misunderstood, it could cause another unnecessary outburst of aggressive defence.)

I don't think I made a dumbass out of myself. The animation was just a joke and it was you who took it all very seriously, and the comment was just an expression of my views and it was you who took it so personally. I still like the joke and I still have the same opinion about the film. I had some fun, and I don't see why not let people have fun if they are not harming anybody, even if you think they are idiots. It was just supposed to be fun for people who agree with me, and to be ignored by people who don't. Or, certainly, being discussed in a constructive way.
And, well, if you think I'm an idiot, I don't see what's the problem with me just being a harmless, happy idiot not getting in your way. It's not like I made you watch this or tried to force my views on you.

I don't know what made you think that calling me a dumbass would make me change my mind about the film or this argument. And I'm wondering if "The End" was a patronising way of you proving your maturity and dominance in the discussion. I might be wrong, but I feel like you failed. Badly.
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MloyangDrawlo Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2010  Student
@00:24I like your part but i think what makes it not fit into the original is that it's a bit too fluid as :devshmuziikQ: said, but also too static at the end, when the bubbles appear. Maybe you should have made the body and the bed move a bit more after timmy's falling, to fit with the chaotic atmosphere of the original one.
great style anyway :)
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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
@00:24I agree, definitely, I was originally going to make Timmy float around a bit after falling into the water, and bed should really shake a bit more, and there should be more delay on Timmy's hair in the water, and many more, but I just couldn't be bothered. I didn't want to produce amazing animation, I wanted to make fun of this film, and I spent a few weeks animating less than 5 seconds. I just wanted it to be good enough to convey the message, not amazing.

Aaaand, I don't think I possess skills to make it amazing, and to imitate professional animators' style anyway.
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steinlo Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2010
@00:23I think I feel the same way about the movie, but your part fit in very nicely. Well done!
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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
@00:23Thank you :)
Do you mean that you agree that this film wasn't very good? Do you? I haven't found single person online saying this film wasn't gorgeous.
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steinlo Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2010
@00:23Yeah, I didn't connect with the characters at all. I don't hate the film but it just didn't do much for me. maybe for most people its a youth sentiment.
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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2010
Probably.
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cygaj Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2010
To chyba muszę obejrzeć ten film. :)
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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
No... ja bym powiedziala, ze nie warto, ale z jakiegos powodu wszyscy go uwielbiaja, i nie spotkalam sie jeszcze z zadnymi krytycznymi uwagami na jego temat, poza uwagami przyjaciol, z ktorymi ogladalam ten film. Wiec moze jednak warto sprawdzic samemu.

Albo i nie. Hehe.
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cygaj Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2010
Już zdążyłam obejrzeć, i rzeczywiście, mnie też nie porwał w żaden sposób. Ale obejrzeć i się przekonać zawsze warto. :)
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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2010
Ciesze sie, ze sie zgadzamy w tej kwestii :)
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shmuziiQ Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2010
@00:23it was not a dumb movie..and timmy DOES have a few words in the movie.watch it again...CLOSELY.and the animation of timmy falling off the bed..definitely did not fit in with the rest of the style.too quick and fluid.not your best
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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
@00:23This animation is just a joke, and the description is just me expressing my views. Nothing to be offended by, I think.

My opinion is that it was a dumb movie in a sense that there were gaping plot holes, or the characters seemed to have never heard of the thing called "common sense"; and it was boring, too, however "boring" might be subjective.
I agree that I didn't watch this film too closely, because I was so bored after first 10-20 minutes (it was quite a while ago, I can't provide complete information, I don't remember what bit of the film that would be), that I stopped giving a damn, actually.

I agree that maybe I wouldn't think it was that silly if I properly paid attention. Not sure about that, though. And why should I, if it didn't manage to make me care.

And, my animation in this wasn't supposed to be amazing, it was just supposed to convey the message well enough. Also, I wasn't really hoping to imitate closely the style of the professional artists who worked on this film, I know I'm not good enough. And it was just a joke, and it wasn't supposed to be anything more. I didn't want to kill myself only to mock this film in a less than 5 seconds of animation.

Seriously. Nothing to be aggressive about.

One more thing- although I don't see how the fact that Timmy did/didn't have any lines in this film is relevant, actually, but I am curious, and I honestly don't mean this to sound like sarcasm, can you tell me when those lines appear in the film? I feel silly for missing those. I really mean it, I'm not trying to be witty.
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mei-ming Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think his slipping off the bed is a little too fluid/smooth to fit with the rest of the movie's style. Maybe a roll to the side, with an arm in the water, which unbalances him just enough to teeter off rather than just the sort of ~Slooop~ that's going on just now.
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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
Yeah, I know, I don't think I'm experienced or just plain good enough to imitate different styles of animation.

Also, after spending about a week animating the bed alone, I decided that screw this, I'm just going to make it move, with one pass of animation, clean it up and forget. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to apply any criticism I get on this piece, not because I disagree, but because I really don't care enough about this particular work of mine.
It's not a joke good enough to deserve dying over my tablet.

..but honestly thanks anyway.
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mei-ming Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No worries. I figured you're the one artist I seem to have any comment track record with so I ought to keep it up. :3
I completely sympathize with being just DONE with a project. >.>;
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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2010
Haha. Thanks for understanding.
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Calick Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
@00:23LOL That's a plot hole I used to think about. Nicely done & integrated!

However, how can you say it was a dumb movie! It was brilliant! Dark, suspenseful, imaginative, gorgeous animation, probably the only brilliant movie Don Bluth has ever done!
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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
@00:23Hah, thank you :)

But I'm afraid I don't agree with any of that. It was dark, perhaps. Animation was just Don Bluth style animation, it was okay. But I watched it with my friends recently, and the only joy in that film was constantly making fun of all the plot holes and magical solutions to the lack of proper logic. And I think it was really boring, but that is subjective, I think.
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Calick Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
lol, I know what you mean. Myself, I think there's only one major plot hole: the whole magic thingy surrounding that "stone" that Brisby keeps, which was a present from his dead husband. I read somewhere that it was a catalyst for her maternal love, and with that she managed to save her children at the end. But I gotta say you're right on that one: they never said where the magic came from and how did Jonathan manage to create it.

There was another plot hole involving Nicodemus's magic, but I think that wasn't just magic: he was so intelligent thanks to NIMH that he had telekinectic habilities :P

And I don't think it's boring, but that's a matter of our opinions :D
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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
I don't know... I mean, I agree with what you say, but when I was watching that film, I didn't pay that much attention to the details, and at the end of the film I'm not sure if I was paying any attention at all. But it just felt like the whole story is pointless. I guess it was kind of supposed to be the Odyssey kind of journey, heroic in a way, with transformation of character or something, or the character proving herself worthy? But it didn't make much sense to me, the whole thing with Nicodemus watching over her, letting her risk her life, not giving her much help, waiting till she gets to talk to him, get the help- the magical medallion, and still go on risking her life to save her kids. Like, if he wished her well, why would he not help her earlier if he knew how to do that? What kind of help did she get from him except "go on, take this, this is going to help you". What's the point of Nicodemus? He explained the thing about her husband to Mrs Brisby, but that didn't make much sense, either. "He was a mutant, so he could talk." Well, just like her and the Shrew and any other animal in this film.
The whole thing between the beginning of the film and her finally talking to Nicodemus just felt like a filler, they had to make her have adventures, risk something sometimes, and fill enough time.
I might have missed or forgotten something, though.
But the whole idea of the secret rodent society risking their lives, fighting, visiting creepy owls, inventing bizarre ways of moving the whole HOUSE, and being followed around by a useless crow... I mean, all that just because that one kid can't be moved from his bed because he has pneumonia? They moved a house (and nearly drowned him in the process) to not move his bed? That is the most crappy excuse for a storyline I have seen in a long time.

The book probably makes way more sense. I hope I will have a chance to read it someday.
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Calick Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Haha those things are mostly Don Bluth's fault. He changed some parts from the book and the whole magic stone thing was his idea. He has some special hability to design bizarre plot devices, ideas that only a 6-year old would have. Just look at his later movies and you'll know what I mean (but not Land Before Time or American Tail. Those two are perfect :D).

Wow, when you put it this way.... it does look dumb xDD
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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
Told you ;)
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Calick Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2010
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JWiesner Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2010
AWW TIMMY. xD; This made me lol and shocked wow. EVERYBODY ELSE DOESN'T EVEN SEEM TO NOTICE HE COULD DIE.

I think your part looks very much like an actual part of that movie, nice work on the coloring and everything! :)
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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
Haha. Thank you :)

I'm not too happy with some parts of this, or actually with quite a lot of them, to be honest, but I am going to believe that you know better because I like your opinion :)
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JWiesner Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
Ah no, I don't know better. I barely have experience in animation. If you see mistakes then that's good, because you'll do better next time. :)
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haffri Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
Oh man. You were my last hope.
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